When I was in High School, I went on Pro-Life marches and told EVERYONE what I thought about abortion and how discusting it is, and how I think anyone who gets abortions are horrible and nasty human beings...
well, now that I'm pregnant, I feel those things 10 times stronger....
I just know its not my business to shove that opinion in people faces like the church taught me to do when i was younger.
Although I've turned down my passion about the subject to the point that I don't think I would ever protest, and certainly not in front of a clinic, I still think people who get abortions are gross and selfish. I understand there are curcumstances where abortions are "okay" like rape cases, serious deformalities, and the such... but I'm talking about the people who use it as birth control, those who have had more than one, those who just can't control their actions and get in trouble and get talked into the "easy solution"
Anyway... there was a thing on the news, so I thougt about it, and that how I got posting about it.
19 comments:
i agree
Right on sister - it is just that simple, why don’t people get it??! Clearly the only people who get abortions are selfish, amoral women - we’d be much better off as a country if these horrible nasty human beings just bucked it up, faced the consequences of their actions, and became mommies. I’m sure having the baby would make them more responsible, productive members of society - the perfect future mommies of America. And I mean, if not, there IS always adoption (well, as long as they’re 100% healthy and white - otherwise, people are a little more reluctant to take them in, but hey, thems the brakes, right?) But I do have a question though - who should we appoint to decide what qualifies as ‘okay’ for a woman to have an abortion, since you allow this murderous loophole? I mean, obviously these future mommies aren't smart enough to make this decision themselves - what the hell do they have to do with it? I think the obvious choice would be the Pope, what with that whole infallible thing, but I’m afraid the number of rapes alone may make the case load more then he could reasonably process in a timely manner, (although, if we could just stall them long enough, then it’d be too late…might be a good strategy to consider). The other problem with the Pope, though, would be that whole damn ‘separation of church and state’ thing (goddamn liberals with all their ‘rights’ and ‘liberties’, a theocracy would be much easier.) So I propose we nominate YOU, April. I mean, you’re 100% representative of American women - educated (somewhat), married, financially stable. What woman across the country couldn’t relate to you, with your vast 25 years of experience and dynamic world view - really, you'd be perfect. Perhaps we could have every woman who’s considering an abortion talk to you, and you can judge if their ‘case’ is good enough or not- you know - really raped, or was she asking for it? And how deformed is TOO deformed. Some people might say its a conversation between a woman and her doctor, but I believe April ought to be involved too...
i hint some sarcasim in that comment...
Hey...I wouldnt be around to talk about it if it werent for people to tough it out.
Of course I was healthy and white.
Blow it out your ass.
Of COURSE people should tough it out!!! Thats what I'm saying - everyone without a doubt that gets pregnant should have the baby - its God's will!! By taking away this temptation of this easy way out they will magically become the best mommies ever! Its APRIL who is suggesting that there are some times when this muderous behavior is 'okay' - I was just looking for some clarificiation as to when this is, so I can make sure to harshly judge everyone else. If only us humans had the power to smite...
wow... and now I know why I keep my mouth closed... and I would like to clarify, that I didn't put my whole OPINION in novel form because that is what it would take for you to understand how I feel about the subject... I really don't think I'm educated enough to decide anything on abortion, that is why I sarcastically said "what the church has taught me" because I believe what the church has taught me is wrong. I really don't have all my shit together to even form a valid argument so don't even think I'm going to go into this with you. I dont' know fact, I don't know stats, I don't know where other people are coming from, I don't claim to be all that "cultured", and If you'd read my blog a little further, you'd see that I'm not a spitefull pro-life activist by any means and have never posted about it before. I'm just really happy I'm pregnant and I'm excited that I can't wait to be a mom. Is that so bad? I was just saying that I don't know where my opinion stands on the whole rape, deform, illness, etc etc... goes because to me, that is a grey area... I'm just saying that I do not agree with people that have sex when they are not ready with people they are not committed to without using protection getting abortions. Period. I think that ONE TYPE of person is stupid and nasty... the ones that go out every night to the bar, get wasted, bring home a different baby's daddy every weekend... you get my point. I didn't say I was ready to write the Freakn' laws on abortion...I also said that my opinions have changed over time... to being hardcore protester to toned down mommy with personal opinions. now relax and go deal with your personal shit you obviously have to work out with your psychologist.
If a person takes on the responsibility of having sex... whether it is with one person, or 100 people then the two people are responsible for taking steps to avoid pregnancy... birth control pill, condoms... whatever. Just be ready to accept the responsibility... if your not ready, then don't have sex until you are. That is my OPINION.... and it can be influenced. I often change my opinion on subject when given more information or what not...but not from sarcastic assholes that come on to a blog and rant and rave about how uneducated I am instead of simply stating their opinion outright. I see some points you made, and I think that you're right when you say "how deformed is too deformed" and I agree with you that Pro-lifers often don't think of these grey areas and stick to the fact that all abortions are wong, and they want loopholes to these rules to fit their idea of what is moral and what is not.
April, you certainly stirred up a hornet's nest with this post! This subject is probably THE single most emotionally-laden and hardest fought ideological battle in the last 100 years or so. Unfortunately, while many debates can reach some compromise, there is NO middle ground with this issue. Each side has their own dearly-held and mostly quite valid points about why they believe what they do, and no amount of argument, logic or threat from those who disagree is likely to cause anyone to change their minds.
Personally, I am neither pro- or anti- abortion. I am pro CHOICE. I agree that abortion is a horrible, horrible thing, but I stop short of calling it "murder" the way religious fundamentalists do. I feel that as long as that baby is connected to the mother via the umbilical cord, it is part of HER body and it is HER decision, based on HER values and HER particular situation, to choose whether to terminate HER OWN pregnancy or not. What I object to is anyone being FORCED into a course of action by someone else, based on THEIR particular set of values. It would be so much better if abortion was never necessary; if people took responsibility for their actions, and every child was wanted, and will have loving parents and a great home like I know your baby will. But it's not a perfect world, and until it is I don't think we should take away someone's right to make the choice they feel is right for them. If they abort their child, they will have to live with the guilt of that for the rest of their lives, and perhaps answer for it to God when the time comes. That should be enough reason for someone to do what's right, without the government getting in their faces, or militant right-to-lifers threatening them or their doctors.
My .02
Sanger said...
"we’d be much better off as a country if these horrible nasty human beings just bucked it up, faced the consequences of their actions, and became mommies. I’m sure having the baby would make them more responsible, productive members of society..."
-I don't know if that part was pure sarcasm, either, but this isn't a magic elixir to make someone more responsible. That's kind of like saying having a child helps a marriage, or having a baby out of wedlock make him/her more susceptible to crime and such.
More over, if it really were "God's Will" for babies to be born, abortion (justified or otherwise) would have been wiped out long ago not by human hands, but by divine intervention.
Mr. Toast said...
" I agree that abortion is a horrible, horrible thing, but I stop short of calling it "murder" the way religious fundamentalists do."
-For the record, "murder" has been used to describe abortion by people other than those considered fundamentalist.
For maybe different reasons (maybe not), I basically agree with April. Unless there is something seriously wrong, or the baby was conceived by rape, there's really no reason for it. There are other options to have the baby and not keep it. If you would rather kill it than take responsibility for it (and love it, I don't want to hear that "sense of duty" crap), that in and of itself is fundamentalist thinking. Anyone who doesn't agree with that, look up the meaning of fundamentalist, and try telling me I'm wrong.
Anyway, I just thought I'd take an example from Mr. Toast & Sanger to illustrate those grey areas people tend to avoid.
I will say, though, that I can look at that picture and not feel the same way. Pregnancy makes different people feel different ways. I'm more biased now because despite the fact that Karissa & I had no thoughts of aborting, we didn't really "feel" the that there was really life in there until we heard the heartbeat about 3-4 months in.
I totally agree, except I dont agree in rape cases either, it's never the childs fault.
I liked your post April:)....but then I'm the type to protest in front of the clinic....but I think everyone knew that about me. And I like what you said...if you aren't ready for the consequences, don't have sex. Abstience is the only birth control that is a 100% effective. All those people who say "teens just have to do it...they can't control it..." - well, we're not animals, yes they can control it.
And just for everyone's info...the "tough" cases (rape, incest, etc.) that the pro-death (yes, I know, but I like that term - its accurate) people like to use as a banner only account for like 1% of all cases. I can look that up if someone wants the exact figures. The pro-death people made up their numbers in Roe v. Wade (members of their team have since admitted it...I can also look that up).
Okay, had to say all that...I'm done now:) Good post April!
Bro Grimm - sorry about the use of the word "fundamentalist". I know there are many people who feel this way, not just those who fit a certain mold. And yes, I think both of Sanger's posts were very sarcastic, and unnecessarily rude toward April. This issue will never be settled to everyone's complete satisfaction, but contempt and ridicule only makes things worse.
The rest of y'all, I respect your opinions even if I don't completely agree with them. I do admit, though, that having a child of your own changes everything, and if I had kids, I would likely think differently than I do now about a lot of things. The creation of a baby is a miracle, and it saddens me that some people (for whatever their reasons) feel they need to end a pregnancy. I just think that in a free country, no one should take away any woman's right to make that choice -- especially by violence.
Definitely an emotional topic.
I didn't mean any disrespect your way either, Mr. Toast, just mostly playing devil's advocate.
I don't have much argument for the statistics Jennie put out, either, except that when one party admits to skewing statistics, it generally just means they were the first of both parties to fess up. I don't really believe in the abilities of statistics, because they have too much personal bias backing them. I will say, though, that if those cases were anywhere near 1%, it's still pretty overwhelming evidence to argue against all-out legal abortion.
Hey... lighten up everyone, this subject will never be resolved and will always cause emotional out rage with everyone expressing their own opinions. That's life. This is just a blog and April has a right to her own opinion, which I happen to agree with, and not just because I happen to be her Mommy. But also because she happens to be a beautful well educated adult female who has only recently found out that she is going to be a mommy herself and just wanted to express her feelings. It's that simple and if you disgree that's your right. You may also express your opinion.
My only comment is... I still think that baby looks more like Kevin, especially now that we can see his ears. LOL I know what you are thinking April, I'll say it for you "I'm a dork."
Penny, I apologize; I didn't mean to fan the flames. Even though I only know April from the blog and not "real life", I'm absolutely certain from reading her posts that she and Kevin are going to be the best parents, ever. And you are going to have one incredibly beautiful grandchild!
I'm really happy for all of y'all; God bless you.
You should go to www.americanbaby.com. I know I showed you the site before, but if you go to the "my pregnancy calendar" under "pregnancy tools" on the left hand side you can see realistic pictures of what your baby looks like in your tummy. I don't know if you checked it out yet or not, or if you are looking at other sites, but I thought I'd bring it up.
I had an abortion. I guess file me under disgusting.
Birth control? Failed.
Age, 20. Situation? Two kids. Job? Dancer/waitress/bartender. Insurance? None. Options? Quit my job and go on welfare until I could work again, which I considered, or not have the baby and take care of the two I have.
The answer was chosen for me when a series of medical problems started to happen with the preganancy and considering both my boys were preemies and one almost died after birth I decided that the abortion would be easier to cope with emotionally then having the baby and losing it after giving up so much for the children I already had to take care of.
I tortured myself emotionally for years until finding out later that the problems I had were early onset symptoms of the endimeteriosis that would claim my uterus at the age of 28.
It was the hardest thing I have ever done. Yet I still support abortion because not everything is a cut and dry as people seem to think it is. And the profile of the uncaring murdering mother is thrown around way too often.
I honestly congratulate you on your pregnancy, children are wonderful and amazing and I wish I could of had more of them myself.
But I can tell you this, abortion is not an easy solution for anyone.
I would just like to say, I never said "murdurous mother" nor do I think that. Read my comments after my post, and I tried to clarify. I have already admitted that I dont' know everything, nor do I try to act like I do. I never said I can judge situations.... I never said that i would want to. I didn't even post that shit for an argument, or to judge. I know people that have had abortions... for different reasons. I'm still their friend. I never said it was an "easy" thing for someone to do. I would never think it is an easy decision. Just because I think that abortion is wrong sometimes, doesn't mean I'm out to point fingers, and decide faits... I'm not a protester with a sign on your front lawn. My mistake was when I said "I feel those things 10 times stronger" I still have a right to think that is wrong... even if I like you as a person, and even if I understand your situation. Let me say it again: I disagree with abortion when it is done because of the lack of responsibility... when it is because a woman doesn't think about her actions. When people USE It as a method of Birth control...... Jessica Rabbit, you do not fall under this in my book .
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